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  Delusional Reversal of the Presumably 'Sane' Ones?
    How Many of You Have Experienced Scenes Like This One for Example?
Lefave, Patricia
2/15/2012
How Many of You Have Experienced Scenes Like This One for Example?

You are in some public place like a store or a restaurant when a small group of people look right at you together after one of them has pointed you out. Then the pointer says something like;

“See her?....I've got something really good to tell you about her..”
or
“That's her. Apparently she thinks that people she doesn't even know are talking about her...”

You look back at them, looking at you, but they don't seem to notice, or if they do notice, they don't seem to care.
So people that you don't even know just talked about you right in front of you like you aren't really there.

You laugh. They don't know why you laugh except that they have been told by experts that it is a “symptom” of your “mental illness” that goes along with your “incorrect' perception of them, talking about you like you aren't there. The thought of the absurdity of it causes you to laugh a bit more.
THIS is delusional reversal and if this is your concrete experience it is not YOU who “have” it. It is part of the dysfunctional GROUP dynamic. It is caused by the GROUP'S perception problem and it is because they erroneously see THEMSELVES as “objective observers” of an “inferior” human being rather than  what they REALLY are which is subjectively projecting participants, re-inventing reality in a way that suits them in order to maintain their own delusional state. This is also called SPLITTING, but then the splitters DENY the reality of their own thinking and the behaviour that accompanies it.
The result is that one reality, from opposing viewpoints, becomes defined as two DIFFERENT realities, because that is how the superior/inferior delusion and split is maintained. The goal of the people who engage in this group behaviour is not resolution, as they will often pretend that it is. It is the prevention of any real resolution in order to keep things just as they are.
Why do they want to keep things just as they are? Because there is an EMOTIONAL PAYOFF for doing so. This is what scapegoating is all about. It creates a form of group catharsis using socially sanctioned targets so that no one (else) can be blamed for anything.
By doing so they can keep themselves convinced that their abuse is not really abuse at all but just a perception/reaction problem the one they all focus on together is having. Very often that one is defined as stupid, crazy or “too sensitive.” Though this is a common group assessment, you don't hear, “You are just not sensitive enough” repeated very much in dysfunctional groups...do you?

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Lefave, Patricia
2/15/2012

You are in some public place like a store or a restaurant when a small group of people look right at you together after one of them has pointed you out. Then the pointer says something like;

“See her?....I've got something really good to tell you about her..”
or
“That's her. Apparently she thinks that people she doesn't even know are talking about her...”

You look back at them, looking at you, but they don't seem to notice, or if they do notice, they don't seem to care.
So people that you don't even know just talked about you right in front of you like you aren't really there.

You laugh. They don't know why you laugh except that they have been told by experts that it is a “symptom” of your “mental illness” that goes along with your “incorrect' perception of them, talking about you like you aren't there. The thought of the absurdity of it causes you to laugh a bit more.
THIS is delusional reversal and if this is your concrete experience it is not YOU who “have” it. It is part of the dysfunctional GROUP dynamic. It is caused by the GROUP'S perception problem and it is because they erroneously see THEMSELVES as “objective observers” of an “inferior” human being rather than  what they REALLY are which is subjectively projecting participants, re-inventing reality in a way that suits them in order to maintain their own delusional state. This is also called SPLITTING, but then the splitters DENY the reality of their own thinking and the behaviour that accompanies it.
The result is that one reality, from opposing viewpoints, becomes defined as two DIFFERENT realities, because that is how the superior/inferior delusion and split is maintained. The goal of the people who engage in this group behaviour is not resolution, as they will often pretend that it is. It is the prevention of any real resolution in order to keep things just as they are.
Why do they want to keep things just as they are? Because there is an EMOTIONAL PAYOFF for doing so. This is what scapegoating is all about. It creates a form of group catharsis using socially sanctioned targets so that no one (else) can be blamed for anything.
By doing so they can keep themselves convinced that their abuse is not really abuse at all but just a perception/reaction problem the one they all focus on together is having. Very often that one is defined as stupid, crazy or “too sensitive.” Though this is a common group assessment, you don't hear, “You are just not sensitive enough” repeated very much in dysfunctional groups...do you?

  
 
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