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Locating Topic Material 

One of the other things you can do on this site is use the on site search engine to locate topic material. If I have anything posted about certain ideas, groups, news pieces or organizations etc. the search engine will locate the titles and pages where they can be found. You just type in some useful search term like “alternatives” or “The Matrix” or “Brave New World” etc and see what it finds for you. It usually takes a few minutes to do.


 On Stigma-
This one was sent to me as a creation by one of the "Less Than Thrilled" psychiatric survivours in Canada Clara Hughes he is NOT. I can also relate to much of what he is saying here. Margaret Trudeau I am Not.
The point is there are alway two sides to imperfect "help" and when one side is suppressed and invalidated we open ourselves up to dictatorships, and dictatorships abuse power as if it was their "right" to do so. 

Last Nights News February 2012

Researchers are searching diligently for the cause of "mental illness." They are doing this by searching through the brains they have kept in jars for just the telltale "anomalies" that show the differences between the "normal" and the "abnormal." They wear white coats and check thin slices of the brains of people like me, now deceased and no longer complaining, many of whom who "thought" they have been "harmed by others" or who "think" they were child sexual abuse victims and, as Freud told us...really such tales from children only indicated the desire of the victim to seduce the "imagined" aggressor. (the opposite of what the "supposed victim" was "claiming.")

Moving on to other news, in the same report: 200 men were arrested in the biggest child porn ring yet to date including two of them in my own city. Sixty have now been charged. At last count 22 of the children used and abused like irrelevant objects have been identified. At least for these ones, being diagnosed with a "mental illness" for "imagining" they have been harmed by others or "just" SAYING that to "seek attention" won't be added to their current overwhelming trauma. They are the "lucky" children if you can describe anything in this as "better" than not being seen and heard at all.

What "illness" will the 200 men be diagnosed with?

Some of these children will have, or will develop, what will be defined as "mental illness." Many of them will experience altered states of consciousness (psychosis) as a direct result of the abuse, the pressure, the inescapable stress and the horror of what they have been put through. Many of those not identified by the police with concrete evidence of it will not be believed and then will be blamed by "others" for inventing "stories" and will be further psychologically and/or verbally attacked by their families, often including the abuser who denies such things could be done by a family member. Many will also be blamed and be on the receiving end of shows of contempt and outright hatred by the public for being a horrible child who is inherently 'defective' for saying such things, especially about someone who is so well liked by others. Labelling tends to turn a temporary state into a permanent one for after all, if a DOCTOR says that reality is a certain way, who can believe otherwise right?

A few of these children, for whom rescue comes too late or not at all, will become serial killers who will no doubt be defined by some psychiatrists as inherently "defective" human beings; genetic defectives who could be "fixed" if ONLY researchers can locate that gene that causes these things. Could it be that what causes these things has something to do, in part, with the "No One Must Be Blamed Game"?

Forensics cops know that most serial killers are essentially acting out their own abuse. WHEN is this society going to come out of it's idiotic denial and start focusing on the real problem which is a lack of personal boundaries, a lack of any real empathy and an ongoing dysfunctional relating pattern which is passed off as "normal" and unresolvable? You have to face the reality of what these children are being put through and the true horror of it if you are going to deal with it and put a stop to it. If you don't the world is going to stay psychiatrically split between the abusers who "can't help it" because they are "ill" with a bad brain and the victims who can't help "claiming" they are abused by others, including family members, because they TOO have a bad brain that and their bad brains are causing them to think they were abused when "really" they weren't, as it would not be "reasonable" for abusers to behave that way.

Like DUH!

You police agencies need to SHOWevery general psychiatrist in Ontario right now, the PICTURES of what children are put through. Nothing penetrates resistance to reality like concrete proof does it? "Proof is the bottom line for everyone."

It will be very hard for them to hold onto the Family Romance after the images are burned into their brains in the cases, of loving family members getting their jollies or making money from horrendous child abuse that often drives their own children into madness, the more so after the behaviour of the perpetrators is denied while the children are blamed and labelled "mentally ill" for the effects on them of intolerable abuse, while trapped in hopeless and helpless situations where there is no escape possible.

As one of those involved in this latest roundup up put it on the morning news; "The child abuse victim is often disempowered as part of the abuse."

Often they are told there is something wrong with THEM for objecting to it or "whining" about it, they are told not to talk about it and that no one would believe a child over an adult, and many are threatened with beatings, or an INCREASE in the level of abuse and even death if they try to talk about it.

The news anchor responded:

"So it creates a circle of abuse..."

Hear It? THE CIRCLE. Infinite loop thinking; the Dark side.

In this report there are now 8900 known adult participants in Ontario alone.

Get over the No One Must Be Blamed game. This is not about diseases BRAINS. It is about dis-eased MINDS and you cannot "fix" the metaphysical by physical means. EXPOSE the reality of this and stop excusing it; or worse, denying it's existence because it would not be "reasonable" for adult humans to behave this way. It is the "covert" behaviour, the secret keeping that enables and perpetuates it.

REASON has nothing to do with this.

There is another point I would like you psychiatrists to consider. Did you know that there is now some concrete evidence by other "researchers' that changing one's MIND also changes the brain? Another opposite viewpoint. Look it up. Then speculate; if that is true, what implications does it have for all your current reductionism?

Do you who are looking for genes as the cause of everything now have a bad gene that mistakenly causes you to actually believe that everything can be reduced to it's physical properties and definitions and that this allows you to understand everything perfectly?

The danger that exists is the same old one: One group of people decide they represent all that is "normal" and correct about being human and anyone who deviates, in any way, from the superior people's understanding of reality needs to be "fixed." "Fixed" always means being made to be more like the Fixer; the "ideal" to which the Fixer, who is holding the concrete power, believes all others should aspire to be like, and if they do not, they should be forced to do so, for THEIR own "good."

Whenever someone is telling someone that what is being done TO them, BY someone else is for their own good, a warning bell should be sounded as more often than not, the one doing the good, is doing it to defend his or her own position, whether right or wrong and presented as "normal' in all inclusive abstract terms.

It is ALWAYS about personal boundaries in one direction or the other. The "cure" is going to be self focus on a premise of mutual respect for boundaries. There is no problem, and no crime, that is NOT about a lack of mutual respect for personal boundaries between ANY two people, in any circumstance of life. Try to think of one problem, from relatively mild to criminal extremes that isn't about that.

Call child porn what is is:ExtremeChildAbuse and tell those downloading it that they are participants in extreme child abuse by creating a "market" for the destruction of the lives and minds of children as a form of deviant, sadistic "entertainment" for themselves and others.

Don't keep the abusers "secrets". Bombard the public with the reality of it in general terms without any personal identities but in graphic detail including the emotional reactions of the children. Don't mince words or protect the public from the truth and the horror of it. Drive it home. It is far too easy to minimize the effects of what is "hidden" or denied to exist and doing so empowers the abuser at the same instant it dis-empowers the victims.

I still think police agencies should have a weekly column in which you talk about your work in general but in lots of detail and about the ripple effect the failure to solve human problems, relationship issues and boundary violations has on everyone in an endless variety of forms and to various degrees from relatively mild to the extremes of every kind of murder and torture. Connect the dots for them.


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On the Bell Let's Talk Campaign for 2015 on January 28th

This is going to go as part of my personal campaign pointing out the absurdities of the system, as a counterpoint/expansion to Bell Canada’s “Let’s Talk”Campaign promoted for January 28th. We could all use this as a means of PUBLICLY talking about the harm done by psychiatry and how the labelling itself creates the “stigma”.

Read full article in text above in the blog section of this page titled,

"Can You Supposedly "Normal" People Hear Your Own Confessions?

On January 28th Bell Canada Now Promotes a “Let's Talk” Campaign supposedly used to end “the Stigma” of “having” a mental illness. I Propose that We all Join in as those with another point of view to that of the happy consumer.

Does Having Someone fill a Role as an Active Listener Change Outcomes?

Do many of you wish that you could just find someone who would just listen to you and take you seriously? Does being diagnosed and labelled in ten to fifteen cost effective minutes remind you of your own experience?
Do you feel like you are not seen as real, or as human, as those who label you and those who accept your labelling as if it was indicative of who you are?
Do you feel largely invisible as a human being?
Do your drugs make you feel sick?
Are you one of those who finale FOUND someone who would listen?
How did, or would,  a listening ear change outcomes for you?
What do you need that you are not getting from today's Brave New Bio Psych? 

Getting Started on Talking Back- the Other Perspective

On Clara Hughes and the “Let's Talk Campaign” 

For those of you not in Canada who have never heard of this, here is a reference to what I am talking about here. 

Clara Hughes

The No One Must Be Blamed “Game”

Currently I have seen that at the first hint that the psychiatrized person even suggests that someone in their life is to blame for something which has had a negative impact on the psychiatrized person's life or well being, he or she most often gets the mental illness system auto response delivered like a knee jerk reaction to suggestion, without any connection, or any interest in even the possibility of wrong doing by those “others” who can never be blamed for anything. Most often heard seems to be “We (the imperial “we”) can't blame others.”

Not being “allowed” to blame[1] anyone else for anything, anytime or anyplace sure does make a great debate stopper, but is it a valid idea to promote and impose such “one size fits all” concepts to individual situations?
I have not found this helpful and in fact, I believe that in many cases it has just the opposite effect and does more to prevent resolution and enable abuse, while defending and protecting the abusers, than anything else.
If you think so too and would like to share your thoughts or personal experiences on this topic please do so.

[1]  The dictionary definition of “blame” is: “to hold accountable” which may not have anything at all to do with any action other than SAYING, “I hold you accountable for your own behaviour.”

Communication Problems: Words and Meaning


I believe that much of the problem with the system comes from splitting the “difference” in words and meaning. 


Words like; “God, set up, strangers talking about me, being watched, abused, threatened, mocked,” etc. ...all take on a meaning in psychiatry that does not apply in the same way in the world outside the parameters of psychiatric diagnostics. Psychiatry is its own little world apart from everyday reality.


That's a big part of the problem too. To say such things without a psychiatric label is very different than saying the same things with a psychiatric label, or even if it has just been suggested that you should HAVE a psychiatric label. This is the only profession that deals with life and living, with experience, perception and emotional reactions “as if” it could all be defined as absolutes, as abstract truth, in one size fits all terms. In reality, that is not how life is, and not how life works. If you are one with personal experience of this sort of relationship, consider talking about it publicly here so that those yet to BE psychiatrized can get a sense of what this reality can really be like and what that means to those of “us” who are somewhat less than delighted with bio-psych than are those who promote the system.

Metaphors for Experience

Whether we use metaphors deliberately and consciously, as ALL human beings do, to try to explain our experiences to psychiatrists and others in the system, or whether they come unbidden and uncontrolled from an altered state, the MAJORITY of psychiatrists consider them all to be essentially meaningless. Do you agree with that or not?

If they seemed to arise from within like a dream or a nightmare, while your eyes were open and taking in everything else in concrete reality as well, did these metaphors help you find meaning and understanding later on in your recovery? Mine did. Though at the time I found I could not either separate from them nor integrate them. Chaos prevailed for a time. It was VERY confusing to say the least, mirroring my actual experience in concrete reality which was being denied by all involved. They still do. I just don't care anymore.

If this describes something similar from your own experiences, what did your metaphors mean to you, consciously then, or not consciously until perhaps sometime afterwards?

Delusional Reversal of the Presumably 'Sane' Ones?




How many of you who have been psychiatrized for your reporting of personal experiences got to the point where you realized that your reality had been turned into what appeared to be the exact opposite of what it really was?
Is this a common experience and frequent sensing  of what goes on in dysfunctional groups and with psychiatry as well? If you have had an experience of this, how about sharing some of the concrete details here with those who are still struggling to make some sense of similar experiences?.


Let's Talk Back
This is the Forum for Psychiatric Survivours Who Want to Tell the Mental Illness System How They REALLY Feel about all the Help. Let's Talk Back to Those About the reality of the Reductionism and the labelling Process

Pat's Disclaimer: the posts of other participants on this public board do not necessarily express my own personal beliefs, experiences or opinions. I agree with some things expressed by others as they experienced it, with some ideas for change and not with some others. However, I do believe in the right to the honest expression of experiences with some simple limits, delivered in a non threatening manner. If we all offer our ideas and suggestions, others may find something they can use too for their own recovery and growing well being. I also believe that the best support can come from those who got all the way through their own experience and managed to come out the other side of it. We can't always see where we are heading, but we can see where we have been. Talking about it openly and honestly just may help BOTH the talker and the listener. So welcome to a place of mutual support with good boundaries part of the mutual goal. Maybe we can create a better way or relating and communicating by our own example. It is worth a try.