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Locating Topic Material 

One of the other things you can do on this site is use the on site search engine to locate topic material. If I have anything posted about certain ideas, groups, news pieces or organizations etc. the search engine will locate the titles and pages where they can be found. You just type in some useful search term like “alternatives” or “The Matrix” or “Brave New World” etc and see what it finds for you. It usually takes a few minutes to do.


 On Stigma-
This one was sent to me as a creation by one of the "Less Than Thrilled" psychiatric survivours in Canada Clara Hughes he is NOT. I can also relate to much of what he is saying here. Margaret Trudeau I am Not.
The point is there are alway two sides to imperfect "help" and when one side is suppressed and invalidated we open ourselves up to dictatorships, and dictatorships abuse power as if it was their "right" to do so. 

Try Thinking About it

By Patricia Lefave, Monophrenic 

(who is “seeking your attention” on this matter) 

...Instead of just accepting your “training” without question..

To all of you determined to “help those people”

You are “those people” and “those people” are YOU. It is only the circumstances that are slightly skewed or “different.”

I am one of “those people” who does not want your current brand of “help.”[1]

So I am Talking Back, just like a naughty child you will no doubt feel you must “correct.” David Rosenthal, in the “Thud” experiment said of his own experience of psychiatric hospitalization, “I felt like I wasn't really there.”

(I know the feeling...same here...it is surreal to watch and listen to others objectifying you according to their own, frequently delusional, needs and beliefs.)

Now, think about the “difference” one's definitions make when one imposes his or her beliefs on someone, as opposed to assuming the other is an equal human being and not either “more” or “less.” It's all in the difference the definitions make.

Definition one: It must be awful to have a disease that makes you feel like you aren't really there.

Definition two: (first person experience instead of third person assessment of him or her)

It is awful to be defined as a disease- to have your life taken over by others, and your experiences, perceptions, and your reactions all invalidated and treated as irrelevant. It makes you feel like, as far as those around you are concerned, you don't really even exist as a person.

Yet both of these points of view can be defined by saying, “I felt like I wasn't really there.”

It is the PREMISE of belief to which the statement is attached that supplies it with the meaning.

When one individual or group has the legal, concrete POWER to IMPOSE its choice of meaning on another individual or group, and to do so without question or any legal provision, or power, for the one being defined to oppose that definition, it gets very surreal and often stunninglysenseless as an experience.

That is about political POWER and control. It is not about real “diseases” and it is anything BUT “medical,” the definition currently being used as the basis, or definition, of reality itself.

The most common and consistent effects of defining everything in life as a medical problem requiring “treatment” is the blaming of victims of abuse, the excusing of aggressors, especially those with  “hidden” agendas, and the pathologizing of virtually  everything else in life from confusion to daydreaming, to grief, to relationship problems, to trauma, to the effects of wars, bullying and even who you might have made out with last and how you performed when you did it (or did not do it) as “mental Illness”; a real illness “just like diabetes.”

There is an older terminology we used to use for this sort of thing though it does not sound quite so scientific.

We called it “a crock of shit.” 

Now this, of course, is just my own opinion based on experience. I am expressing this opinion in a country that claims freedom of speech to be a human right. I am expressing it publicly, though told not to do so, because I am afraid it will soon be reframed as a “symptom” of my mental illness, because reframing it that way, will empower those who don’t like my opinion, to have me picked up by the police, for my own good, to be ‘treated’, against my will if necessary, for the illness I have which is causing me to have no insight into my own condition, which is what will be used to justify doing it to me. (FOR me)

[1]    Be sure to find the fault in me for SAYING that. That is how the status quo is sure to be maintained.


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Pat's Disclaimer: the posts of other participants on this public board do not necessarily express my own personal beliefs, experiences or opinions. I agree with some things expressed by others as they experienced it, with some ideas for change and not with some others. However, I do believe in the right to the honest expression of experiences with some simple limits, delivered in a non threatening manner. If we all offer our ideas and suggestions, others may find something they can use too for their own recovery and growing well being. I also believe that the best support can come from those who got all the way through their own experience and managed to come out the other side of it. We can't always see where we are heading, but we can see where we have been. Talking about it openly and honestly just may help BOTH the talker and the listener. So welcome to a place of mutual support with good boundaries part of the mutual goal. Maybe we can create a better way or relating and communicating by our own example. It is worth a try.

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