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All Year Long
 Thank You John....
We are all going to miss you 
R.I.P....You did well and good

Locating Topic Material 

One of the other things you can do on this site is use the on site search engine to locate topic material. If I have anything posted about certain ideas, groups, news pieces or organizations etc. the search engine will locate the titles and pages where they can be found. You just type in some useful search term like “alternatives” or “The Matrix” or “Brave New World” etc and see what it finds for you. It usually takes a few minutes to do.

 

 
 On Stigma-
This one was sent to me as a creation by one of the "Less Than Thrilled" psychiatric survivours in Canada Clara Hughes he is NOT. I can also relate to much of what he is saying here. Margaret Trudeau I am Not.
The point is there are alway two sides to imperfect "help" and when one side is suppressed and invalidated we open ourselves up to dictatorships, and dictatorships abuse power as if it was their "right" to do so. 
 
 
 
 

Can All You Supposedly, "Normal" People HEAR Your Own Confessions?

  •  1/12/2015
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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This is going to go as part of my personal campaign pointing out the absurdities of the system, as a counterpoint/expansion to Bell Canada’s “Let’s Talk” Campaign promoted for January 28th. We could all use this as a means of PUBLICLY talking about the harm done by psychiatry and how the labelling itself creates the “stigma”. On January 28th Bell Canada Now Promotes a “Let's Talk” Campaign supposedly used to end “the Stigma” of “having” a mental illness. I Propose that We all Join in as those w...
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The System Will Not Tell You

  •  10/21/2013
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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This is the opposing viewpoint that people are intimidated into keeping silent about, because it does not promote the mental illness system and in fact has something negative to say about it. This was sent to me by a Canadian Psychiatric Survivour and though personally I can do without the language (I get to hear this all day on the bus as if it was the only adjective or adverb anyone knew) I can definitely relate to the sentiments expressed in this piece and so can many others who are on the ...
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Try Thinking About it

  •  2/2/2013
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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By Patricia Lefave, Monophrenic  (who is “seeking your attention” on this matter)  ...Instead of just accepting your “training” without question.. To all of you determined to “help those people” You are “those people” and “those people” are YOU. It is only the circumstances that are slightly skewed or “different.” I am one of “those people” who does not want your current brand of “help.”[1] So I am Talking Back, just like a naughty child you will no doubt feel you must “correct.” Da...
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The Collective Level

  •  2/18/2012
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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Psycho-Spiritual Experience and Generic Meaning By Patricia Lefave....Monophrenic How do does that translate into concrete reality on an individual level? Well, all words have multiple meanings depending upon the context in which they are used. This is equally true for ALL people, not just those of us who have experienced altered states, for one reason or another.  So I found the best context to be a generic one, to start with, that we can all use, and then we can see it as individuals fro...
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Please Watch the Tone of Your Posts

  •  2/13/2012
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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On the Public Board I want to say that I would like everyone to keep the language and the potential slanderous remarks well toned down OK? I really want to keep this board up without any threats from people with power to change that. I know people are angry, resentful and frustrated for many legitimate reasons but please speak from your OWNpersonal experience and how you felt about it and not from other people's stories or gossip. If you have not read the PDF files above regarding the use of...
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Last Nights News February 2012

  •  2/3/2012
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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Researchers are searching diligently for the cause of “mental illness.” They are doing this by searching through the brains they have kept in jars for just the telltale “anomalies” that show the differences between the “normal” and the “abnormal.” They wear white coats and check thin slices of the brains of people like me, now deceased and no longer complaining, many of whom who “thought” they have been “harmed by others” or who “think” they were child sexual abuse victims and, as Freud told us....
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Current Blog Article: Can All You Supposedly, "Normal" People HEAR Your Own Confessions?

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i need to tell this, truth is something thatwe humans invented just as we are thinking it is, for most of us is trust just something that we feel thats true but everyone, dont think that this world is telling youtruth, this world full of humans that dontsee, those who are just acting like smart and knows shit about real world how hard it is to live, just think... is it ok that a lot of people,childrens have nothing to eat?? And what all those smart idiots doing? They are just sitting there and watching them dying like they are animals, racism is untold truth, everything is based on lie, its reversed, lie is truth...everything that humans made is lie

only one is truth and answer to everything thats time?? Time is the answer for everything just think about how the world was created, there are lot of ways

some are saying that it was just cuz of meteors, some are saying that God created it , but think what if we are not supossed to live this whats called “live?” What if we are just lying to ourselfs that this is right?? What if we just fuck things up from the very beginning? What are we suppose to do? Shouldnt we stay together?

shouldnt we erase racism? Shouldnt this world finally stop lying to us? What gives them premission to lie about our lives???who are they to tell us that if we wont do what they want we will be throwed out of system? Ill tell you truth?? They are trying to get on that level where everything is possible, where they can be limitless, where they can do everything in the blink of an eye, in the state of God, and they are lying to us just cuz they cant do it alone, they need us to do it, they are trying to change what cant be changed, they are trying to make a robots from us, we are located on every single step we do,

they know everything about us, they know too mutch, thats the truth... they dont want to accept it, but yeah it is, they are lyiers , lying about how perfect will world be when they will acomplish to destroy it, open your eyes, wolrd is not for us to destroy it, world is my home, world is your home everyones so please dont destroy it just live in a peace, actually im the biggest idiot in this world, but i can see,i can see that they are just lying

lying about all medicines, lying about food, about moon about wolrd about everything we thought its true, they trying to say that we evolved from apes but guys if we evolved from apes then why are apws still here???? Thats ridiculous!!! Think dont let them take over you, we have one live, so dont let them change and take that whats yours ! No one can tell you stop singing !! You can fly if u want to!!

run out of houses and do what you want!

world is one , we are one!!

and black,broun,white,yellow even green if i have to say it this way!! We are one!

and we always will be! Skin is skin but everyone haves heart, everyone wants to feel love, everyone wants to wake up and feel free, everyone ! Not just those who are acting smart!! We are one !

remember never forget that, if u let them change your life, you wont live, you will just do the same thing whole live

so open your eyes and think ??

thanks for those people who are actually doing something good for this world and telling true truth????

your welcome guys

 John  5/19/2018

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---Reply posted by Patricia on 5/20/2018
Well thank you John for your long comment on this. I agree with much of what you say here in that we ARE all "one." I also think that we are both "one AND many" at the same time and that this is not a contradiction at all. I have kind of boiled this down to one common problem. a personal boundary problem. I think if we ALL understood that we are all the same AND also all unique/different, (which means we are the same thing if you know what I mean..) we would all learn what boundaries REALLY were and the world would straighten itself out, on a collective level, because of it. I live and hope.
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Pathologized Words and Phrases

For example, in relation to this Forum's topic, claiming you have been “harmed by others”, could be defined as a “symptom” of “mental illness” as an abstract concept, in absolute terms, ONLY if that statement was never true. If it is ever true, then it cannot be pathologized as an abstraction. And yet, that is exactly what bio-psych does. Many people are labelled like the “soup of the day” within ten to fifteen, cost effect minutes after the very first meeting with one of these folks who have unquestioned power and control handed to them, no questions asked, or tolerated, from you, and its perfectly legal. There is no other doctor (or profession for that matter,) that has this kind of legal power which exists outside of laws and constitutions, and is, in large part, far beyond the reach of lawyers, or police investigations, or complaints of human rights violations. The system is constructed in a way that protects itself. If this does not set off any alarm bells for you, it should. If the reason it does not is because, like one of the psych students in my city put it, “I know I could never get a psychiatric label because I am not sick...”

perhaps you should rethink your assumptions and look at what you just said in psychiatric terms. “Claiming” that you are “not sick” is one of the symptoms of BEING “sick.” When you say that to your friend on the bus who nods in agreement with you, it means one thing. But what if someone in your family thought you were acting a bit “weird” lately and you were saying that to a psychiatrist? Can you be sure that s/he would accept that from you at face value, even though s/he has been taught NEVER to accept anything you say at face value?

Can you sense “the circle” beginning to form around you in a snare-like manner? Well if not, by the time you do and start talking about “circles” or being “trapped” or the “Matrix” (and all the similar concepts in that) it will be too late, and not only that, your analogies and metaphors have also all been pathologized and defined as meaningless in any terms other than that of “mental illness”... a real physical illness “just like diabetes.” So even the meaning of the experience with your psychiatrist is about to take a nasty turn for the worse. If you suggest that your psychiatrist does not understand, or has it wrong, you may well become defined as suffering from “grandiosity” as you can be sure the term will not be applied to him or her.

Before any of us ever walk in the door of the “help,” the help has a preconceived notion of who we are, and why we are there, and they tend to make us “fit” into their belief system. That is not so different of course to what all human beings do. We see, hear and understand things based on beliefs and personal experience but what makes this situation so different is POWER and a lack of genuine two way communication between the psychiatrist and the psychiatrized. In this “dyad” (relationship between two people) one of the sides holds all the unquestioned power over the other and that in itself changes the power dynamic behind the attempt at genuine  communication and the possible outcome(s). This is about the imposition of belief and wills, and for many of us that IS the problem and may have been our problem with someone else, before we ever walked in the door.

An example of what I mean is this:

The “identified” patient tells the psychiatrist,  “I have been set up to appear to be something I am not and I am being attacked by others for it.”

Since psychiatrists are trained not to take anything the “patient” says “at face value,” s/he then looks for the hidden meaning behind the words and looking for it finds exactly what s/he has been taught s/he SHOULD find.

(there is a certain level of absurd humour in this of course since the same people tell us that “if you find yourself looking for “hidden meaning” it is a sign that you need an anti-psychotic.” (stifled laugh)

The fact remains though that when someone has a preconceived idea of who you are and what you MEAN, when that is not who you are or what you mean, power becomes a big part of the predictable outcome. This is not like a 'disagreement' you have with an equal. This can be a power struggle of a kind you could experience nowhere else, with no one else. There is an assumption which is part of the relationship that often mirrors a relationship the I.P. has had before with someone. That assumption is that the psychiatrist is always “right” and the patient is always wrong whenever s/he does not AGREE with the psychiatrist. After all, could someone defined as “mentally ill” possibly understand anything better than a psychiatrist? Of course not!

There is a reason the opinions of those in agreement with bio-psych are the people bio psych promotes and the ones the public gets to see in the T.V. ads. It is much easier to be right all the time if those who disagree with you need only have their disagreement “diagnosed” out of the picture. This is also about a common group phenomenon...keeping up appearances. It is all too often how everything looks and sounds that matters, and not how it IS. Many of us want you to know how it IS and we want that to matter the most because how it is, is how the world really runs and that determines the ultimate outcome that affects each and every human being on this planet one way or another.

 


Lefave, Patricia

For example, in relation to this Forum's topic, claiming you have been “harmed by others”, could be defined as a “symptom” of “mental illness” as an abstract concept, in absolute terms, ONLY if that statement was never true. If it is ever true, then it cannot be pathologized as an abstraction. And yet, that is exactly what bio-psych does. Many people are labelled like the “soup of the day” within ten to fifteen, cost effect minutes after the very first meeting with one of these folks who have unquestioned power and control handed to them, no questions asked, or tolerated, from you, and its perfectly legal. There is no other doctor (or profession for that matter,) that has this kind of legal power which exists outside of laws and constitutions, and is, in large part, far beyond the reach of lawyers, or police investigations, or complaints of human rights violations. The system is constructed in a way that protects itself. If this does not set off any alarm bells for you, it should. If the reason it does not is because, like one of the psych students in my city put it, “I know I could never get a psychiatric label because I am not sick...”

perhaps you should rethink your assumptions and look at what you just said in psychiatric terms. “Claiming” that you are “not sick” is one of the symptoms of BEING “sick.” When you say that to your friend on the bus who nods in agreement with you, it means one thing. But what if someone in your family thought you were acting a bit “weird” lately and you were saying that to a psychiatrist? Can you be sure that s/he would accept that from you at face value, even though s/he has been taught NEVER to accept anything you say at face value?

Can you sense “the circle” beginning to form around you in a snare-like manner? Well if not, by the time you do and start talking about “circles” or being “trapped” or the “Matrix” (and all the similar concepts in that) it will be too late, and not only that, your analogies and metaphors have also all been pathologized and defined as meaningless in any terms other than that of “mental illness”... a real physical illness “just like diabetes.” So even the meaning of the experience with your psychiatrist is about to take a nasty turn for the worse. If you suggest that your psychiatrist does not understand, or has it wrong, you may well become defined as suffering from “grandiosity” as you can be sure the term will not be applied to him or her.

Before any of us ever walk in the door of the “help,” the help has a preconceived notion of who we are, and why we are there, and they tend to make us “fit” into their belief system. That is not so different of course to what all human beings do. We see, hear and understand things based on beliefs and personal experience but what makes this situation so different is POWER and a lack of genuine two way communication between the psychiatrist and the psychiatrized. In this “dyad” (relationship between two people) one of the sides holds all the unquestioned power over the other and that in itself changes the power dynamic behind the attempt at genuine  communication and the possible outcome(s). This is about the imposition of belief and wills, and for many of us that IS the problem and may have been our problem with someone else, before we ever walked in the door.

An example of what I mean is this:

The “identified” patient tells the psychiatrist,  “I have been set up to appear to be something I am not and I am being attacked by others for it.”

Since psychiatrists are trained not to take anything the “patient” says “at face value,” s/he then looks for the hidden meaning behind the words and looking for it finds exactly what s/he has been taught s/he SHOULD find.

(there is a certain level of absurd humour in this of course since the same people tell us that “if you find yourself looking for “hidden meaning” it is a sign that you need an anti-psychotic.” (stifled laugh)

The fact remains though that when someone has a preconceived idea of who you are and what you MEAN, when that is not who you are or what you mean, power becomes a big part of the predictable outcome. This is not like a 'disagreement' you have with an equal. This can be a power struggle of a kind you could experience nowhere else, with no one else. There is an assumption which is part of the relationship that often mirrors a relationship the I.P. has had before with someone. That assumption is that the psychiatrist is always “right” and the patient is always wrong whenever s/he does not AGREE with the psychiatrist. After all, could someone defined as “mentally ill” possibly understand anything better than a psychiatrist? Of course not!

There is a reason the opinions of those in agreement with bio-psych are the people bio psych promotes and the ones the public gets to see in the T.V. ads. It is much easier to be right all the time if those who disagree with you need only have their disagreement “diagnosed” out of the picture. This is also about a common group phenomenon...keeping up appearances. It is all too often how everything looks and sounds that matters, and not how it IS. Many of us want you to know how it IS and we want that to matter the most because how it is, is how the world really runs and that determines the ultimate outcome that affects each and every human being on this planet one way or another.

 

 

Pat's Disclaimer: the posts of other participants on this public board do not necessarily express my own personal beliefs, experiences or opinions. I agree with some things expressed by others as they experienced it, with some ideas for change and not with some others. However, I do believe in the right to the honest expression of experiences with some simple limits, delivered in a non threatening manner. If we all offer our ideas and suggestions, others may find something they can use too for their own recovery and growing well being. I also believe that the best support can come from those who got all the way through their own experience and managed to come out the other side of it. We can't always see where we are heading, but we can see where we have been. Talking about it openly and honestly just may help BOTH the talker and the listener. So welcome to a place of mutual support with good boundaries part of the mutual goal. Maybe we can create a better way or relating and communicating by our own example. It is worth a try.

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