Let's Talk Truth 
All Year Long
 Thank You John....
We are all going to miss you 
R.I.P....You did well and good

Locating Topic Material 

One of the other things you can do on this site is use the on site search engine to locate topic material. If I have anything posted about certain ideas, groups, news pieces or organizations etc. the search engine will locate the titles and pages where they can be found. You just type in some useful search term like “alternatives” or “The Matrix” or “Brave New World” etc and see what it finds for you. It usually takes a few minutes to do.

 

 
 On Stigma-
This one was sent to me as a creation by one of the "Less Than Thrilled" psychiatric survivours in Canada Clara Hughes he is NOT. I can also relate to much of what he is saying here. Margaret Trudeau I am Not.
The point is there are alway two sides to imperfect "help" and when one side is suppressed and invalidated we open ourselves up to dictatorships, and dictatorships abuse power as if it was their "right" to do so. 
 
 
 
 

Can All You Supposedly, "Normal" People HEAR Your Own Confessions?

  •  1/12/2015
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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This is going to go as part of my personal campaign pointing out the absurdities of the system, as a counterpoint/expansion to Bell Canada’s “Let’s Talk” Campaign promoted for January 28th. We could all use this as a means of PUBLICLY talking about the harm done by psychiatry and how the labelling itself creates the “stigma”. On January 28th Bell Canada Now Promotes a “Let's Talk” Campaign supposedly used to end “the Stigma” of “having” a mental illness. I Propose that We all Join in as those w...
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The System Will Not Tell You

  •  10/21/2013
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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This is the opposing viewpoint that people are intimidated into keeping silent about, because it does not promote the mental illness system and in fact has something negative to say about it. This was sent to me by a Canadian Psychiatric Survivour and though personally I can do without the language (I get to hear this all day on the bus as if it was the only adjective or adverb anyone knew) I can definitely relate to the sentiments expressed in this piece and so can many others who are on the ...
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Try Thinking About it

  •  2/2/2013
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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By Patricia Lefave, Monophrenic  (who is “seeking your attention” on this matter)  ...Instead of just accepting your “training” without question.. To all of you determined to “help those people” You are “those people” and “those people” are YOU. It is only the circumstances that are slightly skewed or “different.” I am one of “those people” who does not want your current brand of “help.”[1] So I am Talking Back, just like a naughty child you will no doubt feel you must “correct.” Da...
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The Collective Level

  •  2/18/2012
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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Psycho-Spiritual Experience and Generic Meaning By Patricia Lefave....Monophrenic How do does that translate into concrete reality on an individual level? Well, all words have multiple meanings depending upon the context in which they are used. This is equally true for ALL people, not just those of us who have experienced altered states, for one reason or another.  So I found the best context to be a generic one, to start with, that we can all use, and then we can see it as individuals fro...
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Please Watch the Tone of Your Posts

  •  2/13/2012
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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On the Public Board I want to say that I would like everyone to keep the language and the potential slanderous remarks well toned down OK? I really want to keep this board up without any threats from people with power to change that. I know people are angry, resentful and frustrated for many legitimate reasons but please speak from your OWNpersonal experience and how you felt about it and not from other people's stories or gossip. If you have not read the PDF files above regarding the use of...
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Last Nights News February 2012

  •  2/3/2012
  •   Lefave, Patricia
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Researchers are searching diligently for the cause of “mental illness.” They are doing this by searching through the brains they have kept in jars for just the telltale “anomalies” that show the differences between the “normal” and the “abnormal.” They wear white coats and check thin slices of the brains of people like me, now deceased and no longer complaining, many of whom who “thought” they have been “harmed by others” or who “think” they were child sexual abuse victims and, as Freud told us....
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Comments

John 5/19/2018

i need to tell this, truth is something thatwe humans invented just as we are thinking it is, for most of us is trust just something that we feel thats true but everyone, dont think that this world is telling youtruth, this world full of humans that dontsee, those who are just acting like smart and knows shit about real world how hard it is to live, just think... is it ok that a lot of people,childrens have nothing to eat?? And what all those smart idiots doing? They are just sitting there and watching them dying like they are animals, racism is untold truth, everything is based on lie, its reversed, lie is truth...everything that humans made is lie

only one is truth and answer to everything thats time?? Time is the answer for everything just think about how the world was created, there are lot of ways

some are saying that it was just cuz of meteors, some are saying that God created it , but think what if we are not supossed to live this whats called “live?” What if we are just lying to ourselfs that this is right?? What if we just fuck things up from the very beginning? What are we suppose to do? Shouldnt we stay together?

shouldnt we erase racism? Shouldnt this world finally stop lying to us? What gives them premission to lie about our lives???who are they to tell us that if we wont do what they want we will be throwed out of system? Ill tell you truth?? They are trying to get on that level where everything is possible, where they can be limitless, where they can do everything in the blink of an eye, in the state of God, and they are lying to us just cuz they cant do it alone, they need us to do it, they are trying to change what cant be changed, they are trying to make a robots from us, we are located on every single step we do,

they know everything about us, they know too mutch, thats the truth... they dont want to accept it, but yeah it is, they are lyiers , lying about how perfect will world be when they will acomplish to destroy it, open your eyes, wolrd is not for us to destroy it, world is my home, world is your home everyones so please dont destroy it just live in a peace, actually im the biggest idiot in this world, but i can see,i can see that they are just lying

lying about all medicines, lying about food, about moon about wolrd about everything we thought its true, they trying to say that we evolved from apes but guys if we evolved from apes then why are apws still here???? Thats ridiculous!!! Think dont let them take over you, we have one live, so dont let them change and take that whats yours ! No one can tell you stop singing !! You can fly if u want to!!

run out of houses and do what you want!

world is one , we are one!!

and black,broun,white,yellow even green if i have to say it this way!! We are one!

and we always will be! Skin is skin but everyone haves heart, everyone wants to feel love, everyone wants to wake up and feel free, everyone ! Not just those who are acting smart!! We are one !

remember never forget that, if u let them change your life, you wont live, you will just do the same thing whole live

so open your eyes and think ??

thanks for those people who are actually doing something good for this world and telling true truth????

your welcome guys


---Reply posted by Patricia on 5/20/2018
Well thank you John for your long comment on this. I agree with much of what you say here in that we ARE all "one." I also think that we are both "one AND many" at the same time and that this is not a contradiction at all. I have kind of boiled this down to one common problem. a personal boundary problem. I think if we ALL understood that we are all the same AND also all unique/different, (which means we are the same thing if you know what I mean..) we would all learn what boundaries REALLY were and the world would straighten itself out, on a collective level, because of it. I live and hope.
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Lefave, Patricia
To My Local Critics- A Direct Word on the Reason I am Doing This

Another of My Unwarranted Attacks!

 

Over Attacks? Insanity attacks? A bagga tacks?

It's interesting to me that just recently, some of you locally who seem to like to spend extraordinary amounts of time assessing and evaluating me, and all my flaws and perceived faults[1]  most often in extremely negative terms, are ALSO the ones who apparently perceive my disagreement with Clara Hughes point of view as an “attack” on her. [2]
You see people, what I am in fact “attacking” is the IDEA that she is promoting, that bio psych is just a wonderful thing for everyone and the the only reason people will not go for “the help they need” is because of fear of some stigma. While I DO agree there is a lot of fear in the reasons many people won't go, and also agree there is a very real stigma, I do not agree that the stigma of “being mentally ill” is the only one, or even the main one. It is more like the sigma of being perceived as mentally ill which is now almost synonymous with ''genetic defective,'' and then being treated, for the rest of your life, ''as if” your given definition was WHO you really are. So my disagreement is with the idea that people should be rushing to get the help they need FROM bio psych, without being afraid to do so.  Many are already afraid to do so because they have some experience of what happens when they do, and I am ONE of those people. Clara's perception of her own experience is not representational of everyone's and in fact is often very far from it. So, all my critics....THIS space is one of those which is dedicated to allowing those who don't agree and who have been told to keep their silence, like I was, to speak from a whole other point of view on this, when, or if, those so affected can get up the courage it takes to do so. And believe me, that if you are one of those who has been warned by the 'help' that what you say will be regarded as “symptoms” by those to whom you say it, you will need courage to take this risk. This is something the satisfied consumer does not understand, especially since it is not talked about openly, for obvious reasons.

 

 

 

 



[1]  While claiming that “fault finding” is a character flaw in absolute terms on an abstract level of course...

[2]  At least, that is what I have hallucinated as conversations overheard coming from those holes in the faces of others this week.....


Lefave, Patricia
That's all right John.  I get mostly readers and not posters. In any case those who do post are offering some insight into the psychiatrized peoples'  real experience  from our own point of view and even if there is only a bit of it, I consider that to be worthwhile in itself.
Allman, John
If you provide a facility for the public to offer one another the benefit of their perceived wisdom, on a topic as sensitive and controversial as giving a critique of the "mental health" industry, its almost inevitable that opinionated people will talk down to you, as though all they needed to do to know you better than you know yourself, was to apply their own experiences to understanding you, without much listening to you.

I wish that I too had "extraordinary" amounts of time available, which I could use to help this new forum build up into something worthwhile, but I don't.
Lefave, Patricia

Another of My Unwarranted Attacks! 

Overt Attacks? Insanity attacks? A bagga tacks?

It's interesting to me that just recently, some of you locally who seem to like to spend extraordinary amounts of time assessing and evaluating me, and all my flaws and perceived faults[1]  most often in extremely negative terms, are ALSO the ones who apparently perceive my disagreement with Clara Hughes point of view as an “attack” on her. [2]
You see people, what I am in fact “attacking” is the IDEA that she is promoting, that bio psych is just a wonderful thing for everyone and the the only reason people will not go for “the help they need” is because of fear of some stigma. While I DO agree there is a lot of fear in the reasons many people won't go, and also agree there is a very real stigma, I do not agree that the stigma of “being mentally ill” is the only one, or even the main one. It is more like the sigma of being perceived as mentally ill which is now almost synonymous with ''genetic defective,'' and then being treated, for the rest of your life, ''as if” your given definition was WHO you really are. So my disagreement is with the idea that people should be rushing to get the help they need FROM bio psych, without being afraid to do so.  Many are already afraid to do so because they have some experience of what happens when they do, and I am ONE of those people. Clara's perception of her own experience is not representational of everyone's and in fact is often very far from it. So, all my critics....THIS space is one of those which is dedicated to allowing those who don't agree and who have been told to keep their silence, like I was, to speak from a whole other point of view on this, when, or if, those so affected can get up the courage it takes to do so. And believe me, that if you are one of those who has been warned by the 'help' that what you say will be regarded as “symptoms” by those to whom you say it, you will need courage to take this risk. This is something the satisfied consumer does not understand, especially since it is not talked about openly, for obvious reasons.

 

 

 

 



[1]  While claiming that “fault finding” is a character flaw in absolute terms on an abstract level of course...

[2]  At least, that is what I have hallucinated as conversations overheard coming from those holes in the faces of others this week.....

 

Pat's Disclaimer: the posts of other participants on this public board do not necessarily express my own personal beliefs, experiences or opinions. I agree with some things expressed by others as they experienced it, with some ideas for change and not with some others. However, I do believe in the right to the honest expression of experiences with some simple limits, delivered in a non threatening manner. If we all offer our ideas and suggestions, others may find something they can use too for their own recovery and growing well being. I also believe that the best support can come from those who got all the way through their own experience and managed to come out the other side of it. We can't always see where we are heading, but we can see where we have been. Talking about it openly and honestly just may help BOTH the talker and the listener. So welcome to a place of mutual support with good boundaries part of the mutual goal. Maybe we can create a better way or relating and communicating by our own example. It is worth a try.

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