Questioning Normality

Those Labelled Schizophrenic

By Patricia Lefave, Monophrenic

I would like both those labelled "schizophrenic, and those DOING the labelling to think about this.

The people who talk about the "schizophrenics" right in front of them do so because they have been taught by dysfunctional groups, including psychiatrists, that "schizophrenics" lack awareness and understanding of the world around them. Therefore, they won't know what you people are doing anyway.[1] This is the kind of ambiguity which is so prevalent in dysfunctional groups who indulge in splitting and projection.

The "schizophrenics" "claim" that people, including people who are "strangers" to them, like you, talk about them right in front of them like they aren't even there.[2]

Psychiatrists HEAR statements like that from the people they "diagnose" as a "symptom" of schizophrenia and this kind of hearing of alternate MEANING is how they GET the label of schizophrenia in the first place.

The result is a paradoxical trap inside of which in order to avoid more and WORSE "treatment" in every sense of the term, the now labelled person is obliged to PRETEND s/he can't see and hear what s/he still sees and hears, which in turn reinforces the delusional beliefs of the "normal" that schizophrenics are "stupid and/or unconscious" and are lacking in ordinary awareness and understanding, like the "normal" people who are full of it.[3]

[1] That is a nexus statement which is a TRUE statement from both sides but with a split MEANING which most people cannot hear in a psychological sense of "hearing.".

[2] David Rosenthal in the "Thud" experiment said afterwards that he felt like he was not there. Those of us who share the experience know what he means too.

[3] Now, won't take that the wrong way will you?


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How to Use These Public Posting Boards

We can use these public boards as a means of collective contact amongst psychiatric survivour/ex mental patients. 

(Interacting with the non- psychiatrized as well where appropriate) As with all sites like mine, this is a good way to get out of psycho-social isolation, feel connected to those with similar experiences, and to share what helps and what does not.

Please remember that this one is a PUBLIC board so that anyone can see what you have to say. I personally have access to your addresses and e-mails when you register but you do not have to use your real name or otherwise expose your identity. The server owner also has access to anything you post here as well but it will not be used in any way UNLESS you say something that is breaking the laws.

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This one is about the physical use of the site software and gives a step by step direction.

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Who Defines the Normal and Why?
The Focus on this interactive page is going to be on the perspective we don't hear much about: the Normal group member and his or her role in the design and diagnosis of the assigned illness, given to the individual who gets psychiatrized, often for 'complaining' about his/her experience with 'others' as well as the Normal's function as a part of a Normal group.

Here we will shift the focus OFF of the psychiatrized one and ONTO the group as a whole, and some of its other members in particular.


I believe we need to take another look at 'Normal' and how it all got to be considered to BE 'Normal. In doing so we may just find that a whole lot of what is now considered to be 'Normal' might better be described as 'common' or ‘habit.' Longstanding dysfunctional relating for example is very often called “Normal' by those who are used to it, who want to stay 'popular' in their group by keeping silent, or who “don't want to make waves “in the name of “getting along.” Often of course, those who are “getting along” are not really “getting along” with everyone and are part of a well practised scapegoating system. 

So if you have some stories of your “Normal' experiences, this is the page for that.


As usual on these pages, please follow the few simple rules of communication and talk about; ideas or experiences generally, your own personal experiences without naming proper names, your feelings, your experiences  of the mental illness system, good or bad, in relation to your own personal experience with it.  Keep it connected on this page though to defining and questioning what is considered to be “Normal” thinking and behaviour. Do NOT name names, as this is a public board and liability laws apply. Keeping your sharing in the first person singular and/or in relation to ideas or concepts allows you to have your say and keeps you and me, safe from harm or legal problems at the same time.


Above is the PDF Copy of the practical use of the Bulletin Board and how the software at this site works for you personally. 

To use this Board you DO have to register to this site in just the same way you do in any support group BUT this discussion is not closed to the public.