Signs and Symbols of Madness Everywhere

Which are Routinely “Overlooked”

Do you ever wonder why interventions are NOT performed on “As Yet To Be Labelled” individuals who seem to think and talk so much like we officially labelled Loons?  Well, me too. Let's all take a closer look here shall we? Conversely, Do Labeled People ever get Better?

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Call Me Crazy 

Has been reproduced here with the full Knowledge and permission of Paula J. Caplan, PhD., Now at Harvard

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By All Means- Let's Talk

Especially ABOUT the things we are not "allowed" to talk about, and the fact that we are being TOLD what we may, or may not, talk about. Does the Public REALLY Behave This Way?

Question: Why do you need to get people in public to STOP behaving this way?

I speak of the Bell Canada Commercial aimed at "ending the stigma" which goes like this:

"There's that crazy girl...she is just so weird..." ( repeat...repeat...)

The Bell Canada "Let's Talk," now running and aimed at "getting rid of the stigma" associated with "mental illness" demonstrates groups of people, "third-personning" others, which is a form of objectification, and acting out their contempt and verbal abuse, toward those people, who are often then "diagnosed" for "thinking" people, including people they do not even know, are TREATING them that way... assumed no doubt, to be "hidden,"as they do it.

Do you get that? Do you understand that the reason "that crazy girl, who is so weird", GOT labeled in the FIRST place was very likely BECAUSE she says the people around her act the way the people IN THIS COMMERCIAL are being portrayed?

Make the OBVIOUS connection.

Often, the "crazy girl, who is so weird" can't TELL the mental illness system what charming people like these are DOING , because it is denied to BE reality and if she continues to talk about the invalidation, and the levels of stress she is under, which has INCREASED since the helpful "diagnostic" label was bestowed upon her, the result for HER will be more "treatment." That usually means an INCREASE in drugging, often forced, "for her own good."

Make the connections.

These are not two "different" experiences of reality. This is the SAME reality, seen and understood from opposing viewpoints and being treated by those who think they are neatly divided into the "sick and the well," AS IF the same reality had different meanings depending upon WHO is speaking of it, rather than WHAT is being said. This is a common form of Splitting.

You are STILL defining another person, as "sick" rather than "crazy' or "weird," without noticing the third-personning brand of reductionism, or the fact that the individual is still being talked ABOUT, and not TO, and can't be heard, as having a legitimate point of view about the group acting out, right there, right then, even if she tries. It is like being invisible as a human being.

Let me add some missing information to this picture for you. Just a little bit that allows anyone interested to see what is missing from this portrayal of reality.

The "weird, crazy girl" this trio are talking about is actually six feet away from them when they are talking, and when she heard them, she turned and looked right AT them, and they had NOIDEA that she was not just looking "confused" because to them, that is a "symptom" of her "illness" and THEY do not see themselves as part of the picture. In reality, she was looking confused because she could not BELIEVE ,that supposedly "normal" people, people with supposedly normal average, and presumably "healthy" minds did not KNOW that she could see them, hear them, and understand them, from six feet away. So she decided that they were likely just pretending to be stupid as part of the routine she has had performed for her (AT her) by the "normal" people, every day of her life. The same objectification routine for which she was labeled in the first place for "believing" it was real and not a "symptom" of her supposedly "faulty" brain.

So now, you stigma reducers, what exactly are you trying to CHANGE here?

Is it the labeled person's perception of that and reactions to it?


Is it the GROUP/societal behaviour and the ongoing DENIAL of that which you want to change?

If it is the latter, why are you not focused on what is wrong with the group behaviour instead of changing the language used to that of a gentler form of invalidation and judgment to talk about the weird girl; "She's sick...her, not "us."

As the old song goes, "Let's give them something to talk ABOUT." Here is your little "mystery" to figure out.

How about we all try talking about dysfunctional GROUPS and what motivates the protection of that status quo and why we need those who see it, all too clearly, to deny the reality of their experience of it?

Number 4. on the list of things to do to get rid of that "stigma" is Listen and Ask.

OK then. LISTEN.

Perhaps one of the things you could do would be to stop labeling people for "thinking" (erroneously according to experts) that his is how people REALLY behave and it is, in fact, very common.

That should go a long way toward getting RID of the stigma that causes people to be talked ABOUT, by people, who YOU say, don't do that, and if "we think" they do; we are crazy.

All too often, the people who are MOST aware of the reality in which we all live are silenced (silencing those imaginary "voices" they have often been forced to internalize) by giving them the most invalidating and controlling psychiatric labels used to explain this all AWAY.

Let's talk about group dysfunction and denial.

Let's talk about the process of stigmatizing, itself.

Let's talk about the harm done by psychiatric diagnoses and labels,

Let's talk ABOUT the Talking ABOUT, and the isolation and invalidation this causes for the "subjects," an isolation and invalidation of life experience which is created and sustained BY the group ATTITUDES.

Many of us have been talking for generations. We just are not really HEARD because what we are saying is not pleasant, to have to hear. for the chronically normal, who often express gratitude that THEY aren't "sick" like "them."


Why do you NEED to get the public, generally, to STOP behaving this way when, according to you, most of us REPORTING this to you experts only "imagine" that?

Can you STILL not hear or see what is right in front of you? Or are you just "pretending" that you don't, in order to avoid responsibility for doing harm, whether inadvertently or not??



Riddle: what's the difference between being in ANY kind of a relationship with someone and being in any kind of a relationship ABOUT someone?

Answer: in the first case you are actually in a relationship and in the second case, you aren't.

To Homewood Staff, Psych Students and ALL of Those Who Follow Wherever They are Led, Without Question
Unlike Myself, Most of You are Very Normal

by Patricia Lefave, Monophrenic

One of my readers was telling me that he had been contacted by a professional to participate in a conference about the 'stigma' of mental illness. My reader then discovered that the professional was not really interested in hearing what was being said, just as inside the bio psychiatric system he had not seen any interest in his point of view after the first few minutes when a diagnosis was reached. In part, my answer to his experience included this and I thought I would post it here as I have heard it so frequently.

What 'stigma' means to 'them' and what it means to us is not the same thing. "They" want to get rid of the ''stigma" of 'mental illness' by training the public to become even MORE deaf to what we 'claim' happened to us involving other people, by strenuously promoting the idea that our CLAIMS are just a manifestation of a bio chemical illness 'just like diabetes.'

See the difference? We on
BOTH sides of the meaning admit to the ongoing existence of a 'stigma,' but the understanding of the actual cause of that is completely different. So, while we are using the same WORD, we do not mean the same thing, and 'OUR' side of our own experience is not invited to 'debate' it with the 'experts.' This extreme imbalance (ironically) of POWER and control is what is keeping this going.

It creates a tautological argument that has already been 'won' by the 'experts'
BEFORE our experience of it has even begun. It is also doing a damned fine job of enabling and supporting abusers who want to believe THEY represent all this is 'normal' in the world and they are therefore 'justified' in their abuse of others since we 'others' are 'abnormal.' This is especially true if the abuse is psycho-spiritual/verbal in nature as we can’t parade our 'bruises' or 'injury' in a concrete way.

 It is all about the psycho-politics.